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They probably work on top of ski jackets and as an intermediate layer under shell clothes. Two small question marks are related to the waist: How many years can the elastic band tightening serve and, on the other hand, do the zippers on the sides suffer from the fact that they tend to open at the top when in use, so that staying closed is dependent on a button. You should at least check the fit before buying, that it's not too much to stay up just on the waist. In my opinion, Mammut's Aenergy was a little lighter in the hands and sat better, but the color of these was good.